If the Father sends the Son, the Father is not the Son. Dont you see? I also have no doubt I could be friends with Furtick, given the opportunity. New to your work. The coverage of Furtick in the American Gospel series confirms this. In any other context, I have no doubt you would share my concern: In the beginning, Marduk created the heavens and the earth. It does appear that most often people do this to stop any questioning because they arent able to actually defend their views. Passion City Church Pastor Louie Giglio also tweeted at Pastor Furtick: "Lifting you up to Jesus and . One would assume that this kind of education might help him avoid really dumb theological ideas, but that assumption is flawed. This is an ancient heresy that has been condemned throughout church history. Furtick clearly and indisputably taught that Jesus COULD NOT. False teachers often try to make us read the Bible to see how God is trying to bless us. Singular: just like in English, the number of subjects that the verb applies to. When people do that, we put them on medication. When false teachers do it, they compound their misquotations with false theology doubling down on irresponsibility with more irresponsibility. Jesus said the HolySpirit proceeds from the Father. v13 says Now the man who had been healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had withdrawn, as there was a crowd in the place. Jesus healed this invalid who had no faith, HE DIDNT EVEN KNOW HIM! What happens when the group that created your favorite worship song comes to town and gives a concert, and teaches and preaches throughout the concert? He abandoned the tabernacle of Shiloh, He sent the ark into captivity, and so on. Rejecting Jesus has significant consequences, as we see in todays passage. Steven Furtick is an interesting person, a gifted communicator, and probably a pretty nice guy. Again, no, God did not break the law, as James 2:10 says whoever stumbles at one point of the law is guilty of breaking it all, which means God did not break any of His Old Testament laws! Why dont you take this seriously, Esther? It might be helpful for you to read What is a False Teacher. The name of her husband is Steven Furtick. After having said that, I believe youre probably right. We were at a point where we were debating if we wanted a divorce every few months. It is false to teach that God is a multiple personality being. Thank you for taking the time to share this. Paul was unaware that God could heal him, so he was never healed. Sarah didnt have faith that God could give her a son, but He did anyway. I could list other verses that show the Holy Spirit is also distinct from the Father and Son, of course. The Bible is full of examples to the contrary. Its also a heresy known as panentheism. According to astrology, he has Pisces as his zodiac sign. If Im wrong, Im wrong and correcting me is doing me a huge favor. If He did, then it would be easy to spot those who have been born again: we would all agree on everything. Its correct in that theres only one God, but its wrong on the rest. Its rare to see a young man like Steven Furtick living in a 15 million dollar home with several astronomically priced vehicles in this day and age. I recently worked with a retired pastor, and our topic was discipleship. "Although Furtick says this is a miracle, it's not a miracle," Duncan said. I think you all foolish jealous that God can use a young man to reach and touch a younger generation-A godly man will alway get rebutted -shepherd boy David was constantly rejected yet he had heart after God -God see the heart of man so say you everything you want at least pastor Steve is not like Jimmy Swaggers a A womanizer or like Jim jones all these preacher that were manipulators of and womanizersGod said you know then by their fruit! I hope to study and understand the Word of God more so I can confidently stand on and defend the faith. That is convenient, yet to throw it out as false because someone uses it, is also wrong. I know that his command leads to eternal life. Of course it does its all over the gospels, right, so which is it? While its true that our faith can prompt God to act, our lack of faith cannot prevent Him from acting if He wants to. It sounds like youre ready to help fix things too, which puts a smile on my face. I will return to you at the appointed time next year, and Sarah will have a son. This too goes beyond Scripture to the point of contradicting Jesus words. Faith is a force, and words contain that force, so speaking faith-filled words gives you power to change your life. I also was attached to Furtick and his teachings not too long ago but thank God for a biblical counselor who called him out and really challenged me to listen to what he is saying. Finally: we who follow Jesus should not consider false teachers our enemies. Manybtimes statements of faith by very otherwise orthodox groups miss this teaching. The most common error among Word of Faith teachers and that includes Steven Furtick is to give us the power. Jakes, who teaches the heresy of modalism (see below). He wished he had known about that before but, because his denomination only uses the KJV, he had no idea. The Father and Son are obviously, clearly, biblically, and logically distinct from one another. You have to see yourself healed [in your heart] before you see yourself healed [in reality]. Did Father God forget to send out a memo that these responsibilities have been passed down to you? But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that comes to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Hebrews 11:6. There is only one God, and He never created anything like Himself so we cant say that He is like an egg, or an apple, or the sun, or whatever. Its good that I leave in physical form because then I can give you in spiritual form, then I can direct you from a deeper place.. Now, baptizing people is good. Besides, Steven is the initiator and . Start Smaller. But, I also do not agree nor do I know where you get, I suggest that Paul knew less about following Jesus than I. I also did not initiate the idea Paul needed to be humbled, as I got that from Paul, who said that about himself; Lest I should be exalted above measure at the beginning of verse, 2 Corinthians 12:7 and to make it clear, he then repeated, Lest I should be exalted above measure again at the end of same verse. For example, in that same passage, a narcigete would put themselves in Jesus place. What ethnicity is Steven Furtick? Second, its the kind of claim that cant be tested, so its safe from those who would question it. People shouldnt have to search the web to find out whether anyone claiming the name of Jesus is trustworthy but they do. Dont give up your frustration is evidence that the real thing is out there waiting. But he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace. This goes along with him also saying; According to your faith be it unto you. Matthew 9:29. Thats a yes or no question, by the way. If God made a Law and then broke it, the Law is not based on His unchanging character but on His circumstances. 2 Timothy 1:7 He's built a church empire with his "feel good" preaching, attractive worship, and excellent packaging. I want you to know the Scriptures. To animals? Steven Furtick Popularity Most Popular #20766 Religious Leader #20 First Name Steven #24 Born in Moncks Corner, SC #2 42 Year Old Pisces #19 Pisces Religious Leader #3 If you will, please answer one simple question: Do you agree that God is a molecular structure? He knows better than you or I what your father needs. Id probably really like him. Why is that? The problem isnt that he said something that isnt true. Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. As founder and lead pastor, he has helped grow the multi-site Elevation Church into a global ministry through online streaming, television, and the music of Elevation Worship. In John 16:7 Jesus said, It is for your good that I am going away. Like blind Bartimaeus, who asked Jesus to have mercy on him Mark 10:46-52 and Jesus asked; What do you want Me to do for you? Steven Furtick/Elevation/Elevation MusicNot Recommended. What gives you the right to say who is or is not of God? But, Jesus knew that a resurrection would be greater show of his power, than a mere healing! This is in line with a common teaching in the Word of Faith movement: that our faith only manifests what is already true in the spiritual realm. Instead, its modalism: the unbiblical idea that God is ONE person that appears to us in different modes, or manifestations. It seems really important to avoid gossip about people, and to be fair and gracious in our assessments. 1.75m) tall and weighs 72kgs (158lbs). To be more precise, the Word of God teaches that there is only one God, and The Word of God also teaches that God is spirit. Im not sure why, at this point, youre still not acknowledging that this specific thing that Furtick taught is false. This is further spoken of in Galatians 3:5, He therefore that ministers to you the Spirit, and works miracles among you, does he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith As This power that works in us is the Spirit, which must be activated by faith! The impulse to fake it is completely understandable but deception is not a valid church growth strategy. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way. Does pointing to false teaching make one a Pharisee? I hope you wont be discouraged by what Ive written, and I hope youll accept the challenge to dig into Gods Word to see the truth for yourself. But, and if any one, the closest would be, God did not heal Paul because, in His wisdom, had a purpose for Pauls suffering that resulted in greater glory for Himself than healing Paul could have accomplished. In and of itself, that should be enough to avoid him. Thank you for all you have written. Holly Furtick, Follower of Jesus, is an American author who has written several books for children like Charlotte's Web, Ramona the Pest etc. When we elevate (no pun intended) a teacher, preacher, leader, musician or band, were recommending them to people. Pastor Steven Furtick. This is saying, if I may be so bold, that because of their thoughts towards Jesus, they did not believe in him! Anything that contradicts Scripture is false. Jesus did say that the Holy Spirit would guide us into all truth. The Spirit of God is the BREATH/Wind of God and the Son is the WORD of God. He is the founder and senior pastor of Elevation Church, based in Charlotte North Carolina . Dont you think Mary and Martha were confused about why Jesus just hung out while Lazarus died? Thats the ONLY reason Ive written about people like Steven Furtick people CAN be deceived, ARE BEING deceived, and Christians are called to contend for the gospel. First, Ive confirmed your subscription to this comment thread. The problem isnt that Furtick baptizes converts to Christianity. What you need is what we all need: to see people actually following Jesus closely. Were he to address the issue and clarify that hes biblically trinitarian and not a modalist in any sense, we would all be sure of what he means. Having volunteers isnt deceptive, but giving the impression that theyre going to be baptized is. Theyd rather follow their favorite teacher. You said you could not find any Bible that translates it in any other way than did., yet CEB says; Also as Christians, let us be humble and love one another. Study the Scriptures. Thank you and God bless you. Im confident that were all better for it. Do you see it? Its important to keep our eye on the actual question at hand. Not Dead Yet. Unfortunately, Furtick gets this one wrong. I didnt cite the judgment part because I think he goes too far. It is said to consist of 5 bedrooms and 7 bathrooms. We are not kept in the dark about the truth of the gospel. The family resides in a 16,000 square foot mansion which is located at 433 Lochaven Road, Waxhaw, NC. Moses said to God, Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you, and they ask me, What is his name?Then what shall I tell them?, God said to Moses, I am who I am. So #1 is debunked. It has five bedrooms and seven bathrooms. The Father is spirit. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright GodWords 2023 - All Rights Reserved. When people teach things that contradict Scripture, thats bad right? Needs a dose of 1 Peter 5:5, as we all must! In my experience, people who are willing to be led by the Holy Spirit into a clear understanding of Scripture will change their minds easily. I dont know that anyone has everything right, yet the gospel IS preached again and again. Search. Yes, its good to ask what we would think and feel if we were in that situation. Not really a definitive answer to what constitutes a false teacher. Its based on the dominion idea that Adam inadvertently gave dominion to Satan in the Garden of Eden, and that God had to create a scheme to trick Satan and get dominion back. Im sorry youre sick of this. As John Calvin comments, (I am not a Calvinist) Unbelievers, as far as lies in their power, bind up the hands of God by their obstinacy; not that God is overcome, as if he were an inferior, but because they do not permit him to display his power. Only difference is he used obstinacy, Christ used unbelief, as I shared earlier, obstinacy is a symptom of unbelief. Elevation pastor is not wrong at all Im not sure we can say that. I have no idea whether this was the first time or only the most recent time youve been irresponsible, and thats none of my business. Questions about false teaching often raise emotions pretty high, so thanks! When you read Jesus words in context, you will see that He wasnt saying to not judge. This isnt a difficult concept. Heres what Steven Furtick has to say about the nature of God: God is energy. These men tend to teach extra biblical or unbiblical thoughts as truth. Jesus makes many statements that show that He is not the Father. Have a great day! Along those lines, a lack of faith is a spiritual limitation. Dont even listen to yourself! Im curious. Future tense: just like in English, points to an event that will, or might, happen in the future. Thanks. According to Furtick, the Law was ineffective at redeeming mankind, so God broke it to save us. Itll only take a moment: why was Paul never healed? Here is what the great Matthew Henry said; It (this familiarity breeding contempt). If there were a better choice, God would have made it instead. Hi there! Ignite God's Vision for Your Life, Pastor Furtick shared that his father had been diagnosed with ALS only a few years after surviving liver cancer. Hes not alone, unfortunately. Weve gone back and forth a number of times, and Im not entirely clear on where you stand. Ill give you another shot at a one-word response. Dont trust yourself. Any person who went through good theological college would have known about sound theology of three persons in one God mystery. But, seeing that you have an aversion to faith folks, you are not going to relent. Just as a manipulating womanizer can say true things, false teachers can be kind, sincere, morally upright people. Theres no question that all three persons are God. The text clearly indicates that. Its clear that God does some miracles on the basis of a persons faith, and that God does some miracles independent of anyones faith. When He tells us, we should pay attention. Do you agree with Furtick that God is a molecular structure that fills all in all? Please: take some time to consider throwing the baby out with the bath water. No, no, no no no no no noooo. Thanks for a good conversation so far. Once your father expresses that modalism is false, and tells you what you should say to a friend who believes in modalism, you can say it back to him. Theres no way around this, Kathleen. God isnt morphing like a CGI character from one state of being into another. He says a lot of things that are true, of course but he also promotes unbiblical falsehoods. Indian Trail, North Carolina, United States . We are like Him in some ways, but not in others. This does not match what we see in Scripture. Gabriel, in. Im more likely to listen to someone who doesnt point fingers. I really do appreciate this discussion. By itself, I see no problem but playing music in church isnt by itself. It comes with spiritual baggage that the Kingdom of God, quite simply, is fighting against. Theology should come directly from the Bible wherever possible. Jesus was not judging them, they were judging themselves, self incriminating (thus not getting anything, James 1:4) for as, per John 3:18. If knowing the difference between faithful biblical teaching and false teaching matters, then I made a wise decision to begin writing about what false teachers say. So that if mighty works be not wrought in us, it is not for want of power or grace in Christ, but for want of faith in us. I see yall looking at me like, Is that true? Rather than being God, Jesus to them is a created being. Most of those ideas are still around, of course and if it mattered then, it matters now. Regular Christians always get to be healed, but Paul was a special case. If you dont receive it in your heart, you limit what God can do. For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. After all, someone might say: whos to say that God is NOT energy? Thats good. This is modalism, the same error that Furtick makes. Why imperfect? Anyone who welcomes a false teacher shares in their wicked work, right? Every pastor gives their interpretation of what the Bible is saying (Ive been a licensed minister, so youre talking about me). Word of Faith teachers twist the Scriptures to say something that God has never said. Furthermore, nobody has a problem with the father speaking to the son, or the son speaking to the family or any of the other ideas that are used against the Trinity. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. I think its important, on several levels. The reportedly sermon served as the inspiration for a Facebook post that was subsequently taken down, yet screen screenshots of the . If you study the scriptures long enough concerning the identity of Father/Son/Spirit, it is CLEAR that it is all ONE God, ONE Spirit, ONE Lord. You might want to write more, but you dont have to read through the 10,000 word screeds that people used to post here. Sixteen-year-old Elijah Furtick, who goes by the stage name "dothedash!," recently released a series of songs under a project . Ps. The same goes for non-Christian teachings from Word of Faith folks and NAR folks. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: I amhas sent me to you.. Judge not yet you be judged. While you (and I, at times) focus only on salvation, Jesus did not. , I came back to this discussion because of a recent email on this subject, so I read your last statement again. If justice is ignored, God is not who He claims to be. Again, he seems to have passed up the opportunity to clarify that his words werent intended to contradict Scripture. In that equation, we save ourselves. The Son obeyed the Father (John 14:31). The services or what they call experiences being like a rock concert as apposed to a respectable and honorable way to come to God and worship. If Jesus (the Son) is only the form that God took to carry out functions for man, why did the Son exist before man did? I know analogies are flawed and the Trinity is difficult to encapsulate but, for me, its always been easy to understand at the simplest level. Youre right Steven Furtick doesnt seem like a womanizer or a manipulator. Your a leader but you are just the same as I am you are not more important your just held accountable because you are reaching more people do not twist the word to deceive people . Steven is a popular American Baptist evangelical Christian pastor and a songwriter of Elevation Worship. Same vocabulary, different dictionary. Then you might, when the time is right, ask him this: What would you say to someone who explained Jesus ascension this way? and then quote Furtick: and now Jesus is taken from their sight, and hidden in a cloud, but he did not leave. Our trust is seen as so powerful that God is unable to act without it. It literally means He came out from my inside the Father. As for asking if I agree with him, that God broke the law for love, have you forgotten, I already shared earlier about that (look above); First, He restrained His anger then, furious, He rejected Israel completely. He called Word of Faith teacher Joyce Meyer the greatest Bible teacher alive today.. Through His Son, that which was unclean -was made clean-. Primary issues with Steven Furtick: Twists and mishandles Scripture, considers T.D. Simply put, not obstaining from the appearance of evil and not separating from the world. First, youre taking 1 Corinthians 14:33 completely out of context. Theres a GIGANTIC difference between what God CAN do and what God WILL do. If Steven Furtick teaches things that contradict the Bible, were supposed to call him out on it. They got married in 2002 and founded the Elevation Church in 2006. Yes. I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. He was unable to do many miracles there because of their disbelief. And PHILLIPS Our bodies are the temples of God because the Holy Spirit dwells in believers. Perhaps it is a topic worthy of a post for you sometime, if youve not already posted about it. Thanks for visiting GodWords! I dont know Steve or anything about him. While much of what Furtick teaches is true, too much of it is not and the things he gets wrong are big things: the character of God, His ability to do things, our ability to thwart Him, and so on. He has no inside. The Holy Spirit is spirit. If oneness doctrine is true, why make any distinction at all? According to Furtick, Jesus had the ability and the desire to do more, but the power of God was trapped in their perspective.. Is it possible to recognize anothers errors without being jealous? Just as you control what you say, God sent forth by His living Word what HE was saying. Does that make sense? The cause of death was Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS), also known as Lou Gehrig's Disease. You take out of the passage what is already there what everybody sees. I have questions, and I hope you can take a deep breath and answer them clearly. No to angels and demons? Jesus Himself said that He (as the Son) spoke nothing on His own. Fodder for another discussion, maybe. Jesus cannot override someones unbelief. Does that make you less likely to listen to Paul? Every word that came out of His mouth was the Father speaking. Some teach that getting sin out of your life isnt a matter of obedience and self-discipline, but of being enlightened. This makes no sense, of course but it does help Furtick set up more on the little gods doctrine. If you throw the ball, you are not the ball.