Really, that JJA ship looks like something the folks at PlaySkool built, its terrible. Much has been made of Nimoys Spock being the most popular character in TOS, but Id argue that without Shatners over-the-top swagger and brash manner, the balance would be lost. is the manual safety a kit you add? Once word of that got out there was an avalanche of sexual harassment lawsuits against Fox news. On the other hand, would we also condemn him for violating Rule 2 if the bullet had travelled through his outside wall, entered the adjacent house, and killed a resident thereof, or would we maybe, just maybe, place some blame on the manufacturer who created the pistol? Face it, you paid far too much for a plastic gun. If it was so bad, why did the US Marines, who had the Glock, drop it in favor of the carry sized P320, the M18? JTF-2 is the only unit in. Or you would have to have enough slide play for the slide movement to physically disengage the sear and striker leg mating surfaces. The best take on this subject is by the author himself: this is about slime lawyers looking to build a national narrative and get a few wins in, so they can more easily get the next win and the next one, the next one and so on. This is the only post fix tale of p320 failure I have heard that is not some form of but it just went off, I didnt do nutthin! I know there are those who will vehemently disagree with me, and even disparage me but I have been following this issue from early on, BUT I recall CLEARLY that there have been dozens and dozens of discharges that could not be attributed to operator error and people experiencing these uncommanded discharges both before AND after getting the trigger upgrade. Two, the plunger may have a propensity to remain partially raised, or staged, instead of returning fully to its secure position, lessening the energy necessary to move it and thus allowing less effort to do so. Training and experience are not a talisman that magically prevents accidents. Ill go so far as to say the first batch of Sig P320s did nothing wrong. Picard if Im limited to NCC-1701. The P320 Voluntary Upgrade Program is a SIG SAUER initiative to upgrade P320 pistols at no additional cost . You need a lead that can be the lightening rod and not be afraid to make an ass of themselvesit give the watcher permission to take it seriously. When he opened the drawer the hinges pulled the Charters trigger. Harrison stated that, I have not seen enough to convince me that the upgraded version is dangerous., When ABCs David Scott asked Harrison if its a mystery whats going wrong with the updated version though Harrison had just stated the upgraded pistol isnt dangerous Harrison said, I do not have an explanation for why the updated version should have complaints from trained individuals. Not sure why it wont let me reply to you, but Ill reply to myself in the hope youll get it. And the fact they used real models, and big ones, gives the ships a real sense of heft, mass, movement and solidity that the garbage CGI ships of the new movies just cannot remotely compete with. Just 3 days ago, a Florida Corrections recruit killed herself by a negligent discharge during firearms training. And on the flip side of the coin is the decades of denial by Remington on the 700 which Ive seen firsthand. . 1) The p320 doesnt hold the striker fully to the rear. Glocks have gone off when people attempted to holster them and after they have holstered them, some times way later after holstering them like the fellow that got into his pickup truck. With the redesign, you would have to implement a LOT of force to move the trigger backwards. The cheap seats were $100-$200 and you got to watch Wrath of Khan with Shatner. Have you ever noticed that big trouble usually comes in groups of 3. Let us look at the history of other consumer products. In the case of the 320, lightning is striking the same place an awful lot. First, clearing a loaded firearm with a finger over the muzzle doesnt exhibit even cursory adherence to the Four Rules. If you can make the trigger move backwards, all bets are off. The fact is that the plaintiffs will get paid regardless of who did what. Yaaay! I can say we are aware of the statement released by SIG SAUER, said Maj. Amber Bineau. The design was incorporated from Bruce Grays trigger kit around the time of the original drop safety fix. A holstered base P320 allegedly had a mysterious accidental discharge without pulling the trigger. The new Kirk does suck. It did not originally have this. One of the officers a few years ago was carrying his P320 in a P226 holster that he took a Dremel to make the P320 fit. I cant stand Glocks but SIG P320s are junk. He had to be reprimanded by the range officer twice for unsafe handling of his pistol. Bagnell said he thinks the discharges are due to both design and manufacturing flaws on SIGs part. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Frankly, I think that ship is the best looking sci-fi ship design ever, with the Excelsior a very close second. SIG is choosing to litigate their problems away. So does any of this mean theres something wrong with the P320? ALL OF THEM. Funny how that works. (b) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor. As a result, the P320s were withdrawn from service, leaving the JTF-2 with their older P226s. They mandate more discharges, with more property damage, more injuries, and more deaths. The main difference is that the M&P never had the problem the p320 did with trigger mass. Sig P320 discharge while holstered. "It has a clear capacity to fire without the trigger being pulled under certain conditions," said Hilton's lawyer, Jeffrey Bagnell. What it likely means is that cops and other law enforcement officers carry and handle their guns far more often than the average Joe or Jane. 2. Cars have so many electronics these days, who knows what could have gone wrong! Manual safeties on pistols, hammer and striker fired systems were found necessary as far back as 1900. Canadian soldier wounded by accidental discharge used wrong holster: SIG Sauer LEO handguns get into struggles, they get laid and rolled on, they get smacked into vehicles/doorways, they get dropped, they get drawn and holstered way more often than their civilian counterparts. People who know how to handle guns prudently and safely. Then without any extra effort, the normal trigger pull caused the tab on the drop safety to sheer off. So far I have only heard of one instance (post fix) where there was an ND and the post mortem on the gun demonstrating a mechanical failure. I have almost a hatred for Glocks but the one thing that they are is reliable. The use of a modified [SIG] P226 holster created an unsafe condition by allowing a foreign object to enter the holster, causing the unintended discharge.. Remember the stupidity of the far right is infinite and the blind greed of the gun makers prove they could not care less about human life and suffering. Thats the same. D. The incidents occur outside the forbidden zone, as we disarm before we enter so we stay in assiduous compliance with their nonsensical requirement. Ive seen similar situations at our Municipal range. Im reading about a moron who wraps a loaded firearm in a cloth and stuff it in a gym bag, and other dumb behavior that tells me the weapon isnt the problem but the user. But breaking news here, skippy. If you did the same with a Glock or an M&P without the thumb safeties, youd get the same result. Sig P320 is just one of many pistols with Safety related. For the moron Neanderthals of the Far Right who will scream its the operators fault and we do not give a shit about marketing more safer designed weapons, if such idiotic polices were followed for other consumer goods today we would not have safety glass, anti-lock breaks, back up safeties, child proof medicine caps and chemical bottles, back up cameras, kick back muzzles on chain saws and the list goes on and on. It isnt the beginner woodworker who loses fingers. Who knows. 3 disaster is true and if it is Sig will go all out to cover it up if it was. Theres a couple of possibilities. My elderly aunt drove her Volvo into a parked car, and the yard behind it, and the house behind that, while she was pressing the brake as hard as she could. Strangely the car kept accelerating, almost as if she were flooring the gas pedal. 01:10. Using an example from the first prong, we legitimately fault the user who shot himself in the palm, rightfully asking why in the WORLD his palm was in front of the muzzle when he set the gun down. You arent a gunfighter, either. Watching all these Glock fan boys drool over these lawsuits in their tribal brand-lust is like watching the talking heads on CNN announcing Trump lost the 2020 election. I agree. It sounds the same as arguing whether Captain Marvel could beat Superman up in a fist fight its pretty absurd and laughable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsu6WsSQ2_g. My dad owned one and that is exactly what happened one time when he was using it. People of the Gun are probably familiar with the early problems the P320 had regarding drop safety. That is exactly why all civilized countries have Government Agencies that monitor companies that have a callus disregard for human life and are only interested in the quick buck. That a pistol will be carried in a way it shouldnt (say, in a gym bag or a purse). She didnt sue, but swore she would never own another Volvo again. This highly trained Fibbie was doing flips while dancing (breakdancing? And it doesnt take too much Googling to find plenty of reports of LEOs suing the Georgia company as well (see here, here, here, and here for just a few). So I give a ton of credit to Shatner for reading the reality of what it was and in essence, saving it. Everyone remember the video of the DEA agent shooting himself while explaining that he was highly qualified to carry a gun? This will include an alternate design that reduces the physical weight of the trigger, sear, and striker while additionally adding a mechanical disconnector. And have the dropping 320 go off? There are several stories about her in the news for various no reasons, she must be throwing them out by a dozen. . The same should hold true for the insane marketing of pistols like the totally unsafe Glock. Fact is most SF carry what they want and the Marine Recon I know very well who has friends in that community told me many in the Navy NSW program still carry the Mk 25, they don want a striker fired pistol that can hydrolock in water. I dunno if its a case of lowest bidders blues or what. I mean hey, yelling about firearms preferences online is no more productive than discussing nerdy Star Trek stuff, is it? I dont own a P320. Well I jumped in bed with ma and pa , told them that the devil was in Arkansas. It takes time for any new platform to work the kinks out. Second, every gun maker has made lemons in the past.